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Can someone help provide text translations of the text on these images

I have uploaded all the images currently in the category Category:Ujikofuda and they are all of the same object. Can someone help provide translations of the text present on the object? It was written in 1873 and isn't the most legible. I can take a better picture if required. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Even just transcriptions would be good. Some of these characters I really cannot figure out what they are supposed to be, since I think they have archaic forms or the government official had bad handwriting. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:47, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe it's Japanese for the ones interested.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

TimedText for Tooro

It seems that the Tooro language is not supported by TimedText, as the namespace for Tooro subtitles says "ttj subtitles for clip:" instead of "Tooro subtitles for clip:" (unlike related languages such as Nyoro, Nkore and Kiga) and the CC icon will not allow you to use Tooro subtitles. Thus, for Anthem of the Tooro Kingdom.oga, only the English subtitles can be used despite the Tooro subtitles also existing.

Tooro has been added to Names.php!

Tooro has also been added to Commons. Ahiise2 (talk) 16:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ahiise2 i think you need to report on phab: to ask the developers to add ttj to the list of languages supported. RZuo (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Ahiise2 (talk) 15:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Update: Feature request created. Ahiise2 (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Update 2: Tooro and Nyoro are in the process of being added to Names.php. Ahiise2 (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

I think that this question was replied to adequately based on the supplied information. If you have anything to add or a follow-up question please feel free to replace this box with your comment. This section will be archived after two days. Ahiise2 (talk) 10:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I need help!

I'm not sure about uploading a screenshot of another website to Commons. Do I still need to display the license of copyright? What if there's insufficient info about the license of the website? Cowboyhats12 (talk) 20:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cowboyhats12: There is no general answer to your question, you'd need to give a more concrete example.

For what it's worth, well over 95% of what is on the Internet is copyrighted, does not offer a free license, and therefore is not suitable for Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 20:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cowboyhats12 Jmabel is right. Commons only accepts commercial-type licenses according to COM:Licensing#Acceptable licenses, like CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, CC-zero, and PD. See also COM:CRSM#Internet images. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

so i cant upload an image of a website if it doesn't explain copyright rules. right? 2607:FEA8:551F:8090:6A2F:9941:821A:CD19 23:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Assuming I understand you correctly, yes. Under the Berne Convention -- which for over three decades has been subscribed to by every significant nation on earth, and by many for over a century -- works are copyrighted at creation. So, if a site contains more-or-less contemporary content, and doesn't say anything about licensing terms, it is almost certain that its entire contents are copyrighted, with all rights reserved. The only exceptions would be things so simple they can't be copyrighted. For example, File:Microsoft Cortana - Windows 10 Mobile (February 2021) 02.png is too simple to copyright. - Jmabel ! talk 04:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I need to reupload a entire directory

I was so stupid. I used the Samsung gallery as a file picker. It removed all the exif info when it handed the files over to commons.

Okay. Now I have a different file picker that won't strip the exif info.

But I can't reupload any of those files because it says they are duplicates!

Therefore will the team kindly remove all the files that look like... https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20231101_Taiwan_night_overflight_29.jpg yes all 29 of them. Because there's no way I can individually replace each single one... that would take all night. So just remove all of them so I can re-upload the entire directory. Thank you very much. Jidanni (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20231101_Luzon_night_overflight_11.jpg also needs to be removed. All 11 of them. However there's a similarly named set of 11 pictures that I uploaded right after those. Those need to stay. Those are the correct replacements.

Yes the upload form shows clearly if there is latitude and longitude. Therefore I will pay more attention. To make sure that whatever file picker I use doesn't strip it ever again. Jidanni (talk) 07:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

what an entire fight. A battle. A conflict. A blood and teeth battle with the cell phone to kindly not strip the exif location data. So far I'm having success with the so-called CX file explorer. Jidanni (talk) 07:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

exif is still there?

Camera manufacturer

samsung

Camera model

SM-A136U

Date and time of data generation

19:23, 1 November 2023

... RZuo (talk) 08:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Apart from that: The upload process will only indicate a duplicate for completely identical files (i.e. both come with exif or both come without exif). While files should contain exif, it is ok, it they don't have it. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

okay. You are both very right. By exif info I was mainly referring to the very valuable locations. The Samsung corporation, no matter via its gallery app, or its files app is probably attempting to protect the user from accidentally divulging his location. Okay fine.

Okay now I've used the CX file explorer app as a selector and successfully got all my pictures uploaded with their locations!

And indeed you were right, I saw the warnings, when I was actually unintentionally about to upload a second bad set.

Okay now all that needs to be done is for somebody to please remove the above mentioned 29 images, and the other 11 images also mentioned above.

I have used slightly different names to successfully upload a fresh set of the 29, and fresh set of the 11.

Please use the URLs I have mentioned above. If you look in my contributions you'll get confused because of similar names. So don't look there. Just use those URLs above and change the numbers at the back. Thanks! Jidanni (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jidanni: Done. By the way, in the future, when referring to files on Commons, please use internal links (e.g. File:20231101 Taiwan night overflight 29.jpg rather than URLs. Unlike URLs, these will work correctly both for people using a phone/tablet and people using a PC. - Jmabel ! talk 06:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

OK! Super! Thanks! Jidanni (talk) 03:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

A more correct name for an old portrait on "Commons" please

Please see my ONLY concern at bottom of page RE this old photo below: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Matriach_Sarah_Meadows_Martineau_%28d.1800%29.jpg

has a strange name/title which includes the unnecessary word "Matriarch".

I suggest - using this link below as guidance - https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/103813

That the file/name be changed to Dame Sarah Martineau

Thank you in advance 175.38.42.62 05:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome. Please use {{Rename}} or our RenameLink gadget, as well as internal links.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 06:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I got very confused trying to change the name of the above Commons file/image.

I tried to read your instructions - but "Gadget" made no sense to me. I did not know where to start. I am a mature man and maybe shouldn't be trying to change the names of files. I feel helpless and hopeless! 175.38.42.62 07:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I was hoping that you would click the (probably blue) words I wrote above as wikilinks, like "Rename", "our RenameLink gadget", and "internal links". However, as an anonymous user, you are not allowed to use most gadgets. This is one of many reasons to create an account and log in. See also User talk:Srbernadette#File copyright status.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I did click on the blue words - as you hoped I might - but did not know what to do. If you are able to place a more appropriate name on the file, that would be wonderful. Perhaps I can ask a technician for assistance thanks again 175.38.42.62 10:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

To reduce headaches, I don't rename files that are unlikely to stick around. Also, "Matriach" ≠ "Matriarch" (note the missing "r").   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 14:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: in what sense "unlikely to stick around"? - Jmabel ! talk 20:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Did you read what I wrote at User talk:Srbernadette#File copyright status? Do you consider special:diff/788171915 plus my doubts sufficient justification for a DR?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: no, unsurprisingly I was not following this user's talk page, and while it had been linked earlier in the conversation it was not linked in your remark about "unlikely to stick around". But if it is, indeed, an early 19th-century image (and it looks like it could be) it should certainly be PD. - Jmabel ! talk 00:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/1/13/Meadows-271.jpg does suggest the underlying picture is actually by Opie, unless someone is perpetrating a pretty elaborate hoax. - Jmabel ! talk 00:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I also believe that the portrait is genuine (by John Opie) and I also note that its strange title "Matriach" is wrong and/or makes no sense. The subject's name according to the Leodis article - see above - is Dame Sarah Martineau. I cannot change the name as I am not technically proficient enough. Can someone please do this ? Thanks in advance. 175.38.42.62 01:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@175.38.42.62: No, it is not that you are "not technically proficient enough": it's that you are not a filemover (you're not even editing from a logged-in account). And, please, hold your horses. This doesn't seem to have consensus yet, still waiting to hear from Jeff G. whether he still has doubts, and if so why. - Jmabel ! talk 07:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: This file appears to be a photo of a dirty glossy print of a representation of a drawing or painting from some two centuries ago. It has black defects different from the white defects in https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/1/13/Meadows-271.jpg , which appears to be a photo or scan of a book showing a drawing or painting from some two centuries ago. Although "Matriach" is clearly wrong, I don't see a clear reason to remove maiden name "Meadows" from the filename or to add "Dame" (who gave her that title when, and what evidence do we have of that?). Which of the File Renaming Criteria would that satisfy?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 12:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Given that there's the typo that would justify a rename, we can as well remove the whole word. I suggest to rename as "Sarah Meadows Martineau". -- Asclepias (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be fine with what Asclepias suggests here.

Jeff G., do you still think this image is likely to be deleted? And can anyone pin down the date (we've had two different dates differing by almost a century, but both safely before 1929). - Jmabel ! talk 19:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The date that was written at upload looked bogus. I think that the date written by Jeff G. (circa 1800) is reasonable. -- Asclepias (talk) 20:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

This document:

https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/103813

gives Sarah's name as Dame Sarah Martineau - I suggest "nee Meadows" is added after her name as well. Thanks 2001:4479:6201:ED00:441F:501E:8854:E2F5 22:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence she used "Meadows" or another name as a middle name? "nee" or "née"?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Although the IP person may be giving too much importance to a simple filename, their dedication to this matter is remarkable and at this point I'd say, ok, let's agree with their suggested wording "Dame Sarah Martineau (née Meadows).jpg". The Dame thing, although superfluous IMHO, is apparently supported by its use by the Leeds website. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: No, I'm inclined to keep now. My estimate of circa 1800 was based on the death dates of the artist and the subject; certainly no later than 1807, so 1899 looked bogus to me, too.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Use of maiden name positioned as a middle name is a pretty common U.S. convention, still sometimes folowed. (The other convention, almost completely dropped over the last few generations, was to simply use "Mrs.", followed by the husband's full name.) I see no reason not to use it here. No reason for an honorific, we rarely use them. So it will be File:Sarah Meadows Martineau (d.1800).jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 17:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

ONE SMALL ISSUE!

Good work - I am sure that any engraving - such as you say this portrait is (John Opie himself did oil paintings) - of this work would have been done in the EARLY 19th century. I'm not at all convinced that the engraving is (as the Commons page states):

Description English: Drawing of Norwich Matriarch Sarah Meadows Martineau (d.1800). This may be a late 19th-century engraving of that drawing. Please fix to: "...may be an early 19th century engraving of that drawing". I worked out the year of birth of Sarah from the Leodis website. Finally, Commons has portraits of many, many subjects with their "titles". Consequently, I have placed the word "Dame" in the description believing this the correct approach. I hope you are OK with this! (For what it's worth, to my mind, the title "Dame" should be in the actual title of the Commons page under discussion). Thank you so much again175.38.42.62 04:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

A more correct name for an old portrait on "Commons" please

Please see above (7 sections above) for the most recent communication on this matter. Thanks 175.38.42.62 02:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Now, of course, one section above because I moved this. Please don't split a single discussion to non-adjacent sections. And don't presume that "7 sections above" will make any sense over time: sections get archived one-by-one, the intervals can change. - Jmabel ! talk 06:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Confusing language at a template: please clarify on DACH copyright law

{{Urheberrechtlich geschützt}} says that in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, a creative work may be under copyright if the author has not yet been deceased for 70 years. This tag is applied to works such as File:Steamboat Willie Enters the Public Domain.jpg, which is explicitly licensed as CC BY 4.0. Is there something about the law of these three places that prohibits someone from licensing his own work as CC BY? Do they not recognize the ability of authors to release certain restrictions to their own work? This seems pretty incredible and unlikely to me, but if so, this template presumably needs to be added to tens of millions of files here or it should be removed on files that are contemporaneous and deliberately given CC (or GFDL, etc.) licenses. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Justin: That template is only used 60 times (redirect {{Geschützt}} is used another 9 times), and it was added to that file in this edit 16:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC) by Chaddy. They may be able to explain why.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 14:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Copyrighted derivatives of copyrighted previous works have two or more copyrights: the copyright of the previous work, which is owned by the copyright owner of the previous work, and the copyrights of the the additional creative works added to form the derivative work, which are owned by the copyright owners of the additional creative works added to form the final derivative work. In the case of the file in the above example, the de.wm template does not relate to the added work that is licensed CC, it relates to the previous original non-free work from which the final work is derived. See Commons:Derivative works, mutatis mutandis for the copyrights in the countries considered by the de.wm projects. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but who is that person purported to be in this case? For convenience, let's say that it's Ub Iwerks, who died in 1971. This is a work for hire, so he never personally owned the copyright to his work. In DACH places, do they just assign him the copyright anyway? What about works made for the United States federal government, which are all public domain locally? Are they given a copyright in spite of the fact that they literally never had one? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

In Germany, there is no "work for hire" concept, the copyright always remains with the author (a human being, with some limited exceptions for older German works that do not apply to foreign works). And Germany has a bilateral copyright treaty with the US from the late 1800s (still in force) which says that works by American authors are given the same copyright protection in Germany as local works by German authors. So the German copyright for the works of Ub Iwerks rests with Iwerks or more precisely his heirs, until the end of 2041. The situation is probably similar in other countries. --Rosenzweig τ 16:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow. Also true in Austria and Switzerland? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I think so, but I would have to check to be absolutely sure. Generally, Austrian copyright is very similar to German copyright, while Swiss copyright can be a bit different. --Rosenzweig τ 17:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Duration of copyright based on the year of death of the author is the law in most countries, I think. However, it can coexist with concepts in some ways similar to work for hire. For example, in the Canadian law, Article 13(3), when a work is made in the course of employment, the employer is the owner of the copyright. But the duration of that copyright is still based on the year of death of the employee who is the author. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf: That's the distinction between the author of a work and the holder of the copyright on that work. The duration of the copyright is calculated on the basis of the year of death of the author. It remains fixed to that. It doesn't change everytime the copyright changes owner and becomes held by some person or another. The enforcement of the copyright is the prerogative of whoever happens to be the copyright holder at any given time, but the duration of the copyright doesn't change, it always remains fixed on the basis of the year of death of the author.

Works made for the U.S. gov are copyrighted even in the U.S., unless they are made by regular employees of the U.S. gov, in which case they are in the public domain in the U.S. only. As is specified in the official copyright notice of the U.S. gov, the U.S. gov does state that it holds the copyright on those works in the countries under whose laws they are copyrighted, even if they are not copyrighted under the U.S. law. They do have a copyright in those countries and always had one. The U.S. gov probably exercises its foreign copyrights rarely, but it can do it. By the way, that's why it is important for Commons to keep the free licenses sometimes attributed to those works, e.g. CC by or CC0 on flickr, as those free licenses make the works free worldwide, whereas an unlicensed automatic PD-US-gov applies in the U.S. only. The author is whoever is identified as such. If unknown, then it follows the rules for anonymous works. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but to be clear, I'm not talking about the existence of a copyright, but the licensing of a copyright for the new work that is that file. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

That template is used in the German language versions of various PD-US, PD-Italy and similar license tags. Like this: [1] --Rosenzweig τ 16:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Rosenzweig: I see, so this template transclusion count from the templatecount tool does not include the German language versions, which I think should be fixed. Is there any lobbying to get work for hire into the copyright law of such country or countries?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 17:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: I'm not aware of any such lobbying. In Germany, this situation is managed by Nutzungsrechte (usage rights) and contracts. --Rosenzweig τ 17:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Otherwise than in the USA Mickey Mouse unfortunately is still copyright-protected in Germany (and possibly many other countries that use 70 years pma). Therefore, this tag is needed for these files. -- Chaddy (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Biography of a deceased person

Hi, i am preparing my father's biography, he was an Iraqi Composer; who passed away in 2007. I have prepared the biography along with the required citations and references and links etc.. i would like to add a profile picture, which is available in the public domain and used by other online articles etc, but during the upload process it is rejected. Could you assist me or guide me on the matter. It is a photo of my deceased father. Sue Cosgrave (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is the picture in the public domain? (Do keep in mind that well under 5% of what is on the Internet is in the public domain.) You might want to look at Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Iraq. - Jmabel ! talk 20:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

By the way, while the following isn't Commons' affair: you should definitely read en:WP:COI and make the relevant disclosure about your relation to the person you are writing about, because if you don't do that then you are very likely to be blocked on the English-language Wikipedia. - Jmabel ! talk 21:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank´s Jmabel. Where do I fill in this information? It will be filled by whoever takes over from me as I don't have time to continue with this project. Sue Cosgrave (talk) 13:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I presume the disclosure only needs to be made if there is a COI? Sue Cosgrave (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Typically, if no one involved is being paid, on the talk page of the relevant article(s). Here's an example of one that I did: en:Talk:Lena Levine#Full disclosure. And en:Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide may be a better place for someone to start than en:WP:COI, which I linked above. - Jmabel ! talk 17:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Upload issues

on the talk page for WIKITONGUES- jan Tepo and jan Lakuse speaking Toki Pona.webm, I have included some of my issues with trying to upload/convert/compress the file required for this video, if someone would be willing to help, I would be very thankful. JnpoJuwan (talk) 23:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@JnpoJuwan: I tried with COM:V2C, but had no luck. @Chicocvenancio: could you try, perhaps without "?dl=0"? https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbued08gyf8zei1/jan%20Lakuse%20en%20jan%20Tepo%20li%20toki%20pona%20tawa%20kulupu%20Wikton.mp4 is 912,128 KB.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

any luck so far, you two? JnpoJuwan (talk) 10:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@JnpoJuwan: Did you try uploading it to YouTube (or Dailymotion / Vimeo)? Yann (talk) 11:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I tried to convert it with Avidemux, but it failed. There is something definitely wrong with this video. Sorry. Yann (talk) 12:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The Video was truncated. I did a quick fix, but I assume it was not supposed to be only 1m 16s? C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It was truncated! not by choice, I tried using some commandline tools and it did and I didn't realise until after I uploaded it. JnpoJuwan (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The dropbox version is 156KB. Do you want to upload a different version? C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

the Dropbox one is the full version, that I want. unless there's someway to compress it to fit into Wikimedia, I don't know what to do. JnpoJuwan (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

छोटी आटा चक्की कीमत - Small Flour Mill Price

छोटी आटा चक्की कीमत - "Small Flour Mill Price" संतोष भावऱ (talk) 06:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

What, if anything, is the question here? - Jmabel ! talk 06:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Uploading images from electronic documents publically available on the Library of Congress website.

Hello, I want to upload a photograph from an electronic document hosted on the library of congress website. The book was published in the 1890s, so it's long been public domain. However, I did not digitize the document, the library of congress did. Would uploading a public domain photo from a scan available on the Library of Congress website break wikimedia's terms of use? YumeBright (talk) 06:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@YumeBright: I can't think of any imaginable problem here with Wikimedia's terms of use, unless the (undescribed) content would somehow violate our terms of use.

Scanning or otherwise faithfully replicating a 2-dimensional work creates no new intellectual property rights. All there are is the rights to the underlying work (which in this case is public domain, so there is no copyright involved). - Jmabel ! talk 07:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

YumeBright, also refer to Template:PD-scan. Zoozaz1 (talk) 05:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Terrorist-Related content

I don't think that I could ask the permission to al-Hayat Media Center to use their cover song. So could I use it in it.wikipedia? 1Ciaoman1 (talk) 07:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@1Ciaoman1: How is Commons involved in that question? - Jmabel ! talk 08:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@1Ciaoman1: Hi, and welcome. Please see it:WP:EDP if you want to upload it to Italian Wikipedia. If you want to upload it here for use there, you would have to ask the al-Hayat Media Center to send permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 12:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: as he noted in his original statement, a branch of ISIS is not likely to respond to a request for a license. - Jmabel ! talk 19:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: It could if it believed it held the moral high ground.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Copyright violation

I was notified by that a photo of myself (Akira Ikemi.jpg) that I uploaded is a copyright violation. Since the person depicted in the photo is me, and the photo was taken by my son, and uploaded on my own website (www.akira-Ikemi.net) I am the copyright holder of this photo. Why would uploading this photo on Wiki be a copyright violation, if the copyright holder is uploading it? Akira Ikemi (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Akira Ikemi: Hi, and welcome. Please have your son send permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you, or send it yourself as his guardian. Pinging @UCinternational as tagger.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 12:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have two further questions: (1) Actually I paid my son to take a photo of me, so that I could put them on my website and on flyers. He is a photographer. Does that make me the copyright holder of this photo, or is my son still the copyright holder? I don't think I can send permission as his guardian because he is way over legal age. (2) If my son is still the copyright holder, he can send permission to use the photo (Akira Ikemi.jpg) on Wikipedia via VRT with CC to me. a) He can only communicate in Japanese. Can he write in Japanese? b) I am not clear how to send permission via VRT, I would appreciate it immensely if you can show me how. Akira Ikemi (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I know it's weird, but your son is the copyright holder. Copyright goes to the photographer, not the subject of the photo. - Jmabel ! talk 00:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this clarification. Akira Ikemi (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Japanese is fine. Ability for a person to transfer copyrights within their lifetime varies from country to country, and I don't know the rules for Japan, but I'm guessing you wouldn't have done something in writing with your own son and few countries allow this to be done orally. If you did have a written document transferring copyright, we could accept a scan of that.

Here's a writeup of the VRT instructions in Japanese: Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team/ja. - Jmabel ! talk 18:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't upload my own work

I get the message "Disallow; Filter description: Prevent spamming in PDF files by new users"? Please help Historyradio (talk) 12:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Historyradio: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/281 by trying to upload one or more pdf files as a new user. Such uploads of pdf files are not allowed at all. The following applies for each file: Usually when someone uploads a pdf file as a new user, it's a copyright violation taken from the web or out of scope. What is in the file? If you were not the original file designer or photographer, that person or those people may need to license it on their official website or social media, or send the file and permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. If you can't get a compliant license, the file may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F. Are you Michael Henrik Wynn? Did you write the poem? Did you write the book "Stories & Poems from the Twilight" in 2019? If you have the right to license them, please send permission via VRT. If not, please have the copyright holder send permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 12:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a short story I wrote for a book. 85.191.190.235 14:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I have now sent the files via the services you suggested. Thank you 85.191.190.235 15:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

A short story that you wrote is almost certainly out of scope. - Jmabel ! talk 00:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

RE: Quotations

Hi,

I read this statement on WC today:

"It is prohibited to copy text from non-free media like copyrighted books, articles or similar works. Information itself, however, is not copyrightable, and you are free to rewrite it in your own words.

Quotations are allowed if they are limited in size and mention the source."

Is this true?

I have reproduced some quotes on WC in my own design format and was not sure if I was allowed to by way of copyright.

Regards Darren J. Prior (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• I would guess that things like File:Gary Zukav on evolution.jpg or File:Gary Zukav on being the authority in your own life.png (for example). Quoting something like that in the context of an article would probably be fine under U.S. law; quoting it in isolation is likely to be a copyright violation, and is also not particularly in Commons' scope. - Jmabel ! talk 00:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

RE: Quotations 2/2

Hi

To follow on from my last question: I would like to upload some quotes from deceased writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck. I have added a design to them so they are not a copyright or photos from any of his books.

Can you tell me what license I should use for uploading them?

Finally - I uploaded some quotes recently from 2 authors - Michelle Paisley Reed and Gary Zukav with my own design. I have the wrong category for them though.

The copyright license may be the same as for M. Scott Peck's work, although Michelle and Gary are still alive mind - can you tell me how I change the licenses for the quotes I have uploaded?

Regards Darren J. Prior (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

You should consider adding them to wikiquote. Ruslik (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok.

Which license should a few M. Scott Peck quotes I want to upload have? Darren J. Prior (talk) 20:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

You can't grant a license for someone else's work. - Jmabel ! talk 00:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Manual transcode

Hello. Firstly, i need to say: The topic of this question is asked by me before.

I said like "how can i disable autotranscode?" and got an answer like "you can look at phabricator", but i cannot got some info about phab after some research.. I even don't know what is phab.. Can anyone give me more spesific help about how to manually upload transcodes (or at least disable autos)? RuzDD (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@RuzDD: Could you please explain what you mean by "autotranscode"? I can't find that term used in any context related to mediawiki. - Jmabel ! talk 00:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

[2] You can look at the bottom of this page. I call them "auto" because they are created without human touch. RuzDD (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying you want to have something happen differently to your uploaded audio files, or to what you get when you navigate to a the file page of an audio file? In other words, what do you want to disable? Having the transcoded files created and linked, or you seeing them? - Jmabel ! talk 01:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I want to manually create and upload transcodes, or disable transcodes for my files at all if the first cannot be done. Reason: The MW engine creates transcodes with wrong ways, and transcodes are being too big for very low quality (and also distorted/changed/wrong content). RuzDD (talk) 02:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@RuzDD: With the proviso that I think this is a bad idea, you can indeed file a request on phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/. - Jmabel ! talk 03:41, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel and RuzDD: In the case of an audio file, a transcode is a MP3 or Ogg Vorbis file with free compression and thus a smaller filesize with lower bitrate than the original audio, created to optimally serve one of our audio files to web browsers by mw:Extension:TimedMediaHandler. After each audio file is uploaded, that extension creates a "Transcode status" section on the audio file's file description page, which contains a link to "Update transcode status" (which will purge the page) and then a table which details the following statistics for each transcode: "Format" (sorted by audio format in decreasing order); "Bitrate" (in kbps); "Download" (a link to download that particular transcode); "Actions" (a link to "Reset transcode" for that particular transcode, in case the transcoding failed); "Status" (what happened last to that transcode and when (UTC)); and "Encode time" (how long it took a backend server to finish the transcoding process). There appears to be no provision to disable transcoding or provide your own transcodes. RuzDD, what exactly do you mean by "transcodes with wrong ways" and "transcodes are being too big for very low quality (and also distorted/changed/wrong content)"?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

MP3 must be 22050Hz 64kbps, but it's 44100Hz 106akbps. OGG must be 22050Hz ~48-64akbps but it's 44100Hz. This status wastes the storage for just a very low quality audio that very different&slow than the original. RuzDD (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G. Can anyone disable this extension or set the extension to manually enable/disable for spesific files? Humans can create very higher quality transcodes in very low filesizes. RuzDD (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, @Jmabel how can i put a request on phab, and what exactly is phab? RuzDD (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

phab is shoort for phabricator. It is the database used by MediaWiki to track bugs and feature requests. Your requst would be a feature request. To actully file one, you need an account at phabricator. That is easy: you go on the registration page of phab and select Wikipedia OAUTH, then your wiki account will be linked to a phab account of the same name. Once that is done, you can click on "create task" und choose "feature request" in the Phab GUI.

However: Do you really need that? The transcodes are automagically created for all audio and video files. They are needed by the wiki software to play media in a web browser. But if you need the original you can always link to the original uploaded file. It does not get changed and is available for download. So if you have an app that needs the 48k/s orignial, you can simply enter the download url into that app and will get the original file.

Mayby @TheDJ can explain the rationale of the transcodes that the mediawiki software uses (why they are 44k/s, not 48k/s for example) C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Transcodes those created by MW are sooo bad, they are giving the poorest quality of the world by a very huge filesize. Audios are getting slowed down, distorted, and destroyed during creation of automatic transcodes and these are resulting in a very large file size. I can create much more high quality transcodes in just very smaller file sizes in the same formats. I will write that to phab. RuzDD (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

The transcodes are the way they are because of standardisation and to allow for maximum compatibility with a large range of devices. If there are specific files that get incorrect results, then likely there is a small error in the pipeline that needs to be corrected. And provided examples of such will be analysed and fixed (eventually). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

To my experience, all transcodes are having that very huge problems. RuzDD (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't consider it a "huge problem". The transcodes are used for the media player. May be you can upload a single of your "better" manual transcodes of a video already existing on commons, so that people can look, if your manual transcode works at least as good as the existing transcodes with the media player. If that is the case, it may be worth considering if it does make sense to consider changes to the transcoding.

What I do consider as a problem, is the case that one or more transcodes of a video smaller than 4GiB is/are larger than 4GiB. In such a case the transcode fails completely, even so the size limit of 4GiB for files does not need to apply to transcodes. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 07:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@C.Suthorn I don't believe that our current filesystem would be able to store a transcode larger than 4GiB. Pinging @TheDJ for comment.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The maximum limit right now is 4GB, which hopefully soon can be raised to 5GB. After that our MW storage api needs to be adapted to store in chunks of 4GB. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

There's not need to upload the maximum filesize, i think a limit of 4MB (MegaBytes, not Giga) will be nice enough (and also prevents users from uploading a very large file without compressing it as another advantage). My last uploaded file is even smaller than 2MB (i'm uploading it as wav because i'm not an autopatrol, i will upload new files as maximum 64kbps MP3 when i'm an autopatrol so filesizes will be even very smaller) so a limit of 4MB is very enough in my opinion. And, to your info: I'm putted a task about that at phab. RuzDD (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@RuzDD: We are talking here about feature films in high resolution, which often get near or over the 4 GB limit. If one wants to view it in good quality, they obviously need transcodes which are also big files. Yann (talk) 12:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Assume the bitrate is 1MBPS (i think that's a very high quality for the standard 576 lines), the maximum video length is about 32 secs. That's much longer than most videos to my experience. For videos on a more efficient quality (for example, 256kbps on 288 lines), a length of 2:08 is available. So, i think that's very enough for videos. I think audio and video must be considered as the same in the filesizes.

And, a fun fact: 4MB can contain ~20 complicated games or much more basic games. RuzDD (talk) 13:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@RuzDD: We are talking about w:feature films, not 2 mn videos. Even a 22 mn film in 4K is 1.47 GB. I couldn't upload a 4K version of File:His Girl Friday (1940) by Howard Hawks.webm because of the size limit. Yann (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Why 4K? What's not enough at 288 or 576 lines? I'd played a lot of games and watched a lot of films at 288-lined 25FPS composite PAL and they were very nice. Also, why we are putting whole feature films? That's how being "can be used for educational purposes"? Excuse me, but i can't see any educational usage for whole feature films... RuzDD (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

If you want to show a film on a big screen, 4K is obviously better. And there are transcodes with an issue, i.e. File:Waxworks (1924) by Paul Leni.webm. You don't see "any educational usage for whole feature films"? Well, I can't help you. Yann (talk) 15:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Flag

Hi there, I wanted to upload the flag (or banner) of an ancient empire so that I can edit an article. Can I upload the image? Thespaniord (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Thespaniord: Probably. The simplest thing would be if you have a U.S.-published image of it from 1928 or earlier, which would certainly be in the public domain. - Jmabel ! talk 18:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Presuming it is an actual documented historic flag (we sometimes have a problem with people creating make-believe flags - don't do that). -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Диалог

Здравствуйте, я не малость удивлен и рад встрече с вами. Но имея ещё часть сомнений хотел бы задать вопросы, и предложить свои решения. Если это возможно на не гласных правах, не обмани не навреди с обеих сторон. Iso4you (talk) 13:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iso4you: Это страница для получения помощи по использованию Wikimedia Commons. У вас есть вопрос? - Jmabel ! talk 18:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Where (and how) do I post template requests?

I have searched the help pages with no luck. I have made a lot of templates over the years, but now I need help creating one. Is there a specific help page for template requests? / abbedabb^talk 23:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything specific. If you have some specific questions, this is probably as good a place as any to ask. - Jmabel ! talk 00:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I am looking for a template that works like {{Label}}, but has the ability to set custom text for the link, similar to [[link to page|display text]], but with the same functions as {{Label}} (that first tries to link to a Wikipedia page in the user's language, and secondly to Wikidata).

I was thinking it could be used for shortening the displayed link text when writing things like
"Trams M28 768, M28 730, and M28 722"
but displaying
"Trams M28 768, 730, and 722" (with links)
or
"Stellan Skarsgård and Alexander Skarsgård"
but displaying
"Stellan and Alexander Skarsgård". /abbedabb^talk 05:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Abbedabb: The Commons:WikiProject Templates seems to have been inactive for many years and the sv:Wikipedia:Projekt mallstandardisering as well. Given that Template:Label is not something specific to Commons, but exists also in many other Wikimedia websites, I think your best luck would be either to ask at a project that is active on another website, such as en:Wikipedia:Requested templates at en.wikipedia, or to ask for advice from the user (User:Jarekt) who transposed Template:Label on Commons or from the user (User:Ainali) who transposed sv:Mall:Etikett to sv.wikipedia. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

{{W}} does this. - Jmabel ! talk 20:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(not that it does the exact thing you are trying to do, but it lets the user pass in a label for a link). - Jmabel ! talk 20:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Account

I have been trying to create a wikicommons account but it keeps saying error how can i fix that 41.116.201.188 06:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome. Please be more specific about the exact error message.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 18:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

حذف فوری به دلیل ایجاد ترس و وهن

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D8%B2%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7_%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%AE%DB%8C_%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9%D9%87_1.jpg . لطفا این عکس را با توجه به پایان کرونا و وجود ماسک روی صورت حذف کنید ... ماسک باعث وجود ترس و وهن و استرس مخاطب میگردد و همچنین به نظر می یاد این عکس با دشمنی گذاشته شده است Ghoghnos128 (talk) 11:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Immediate removal due to fear

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File:زهرا شیخی مبارکه 1.jpg .

Please remove this photo considering the end of Corona and the presence of a mask on the face.

translator: Google Translate via   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 18:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ghoghnos128: سلام و خوش آمدید همه‌گیری ممکن است به پایان رسیده باشد، اما کرونا-19 اینجا باقی مانده است. COM:DP/fa را نیز ببینید.

Hi, and welcome. The pandemic may have ended, but COVID-19 is here to stay. See also COM:DP.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 18:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

احساس ترس و دشمنی

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D8%B2%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7_%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%AE%DB%8C_%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9%D9%87_1.jpg . لطفا این عکس را که در زمان کرونا گرفته شده و اکنون باعث وهن و ترس جامعه است را پاک کنید Ghoghnos128 (talk) 21:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ghoghnos128: در بالا پرسیده شد و پاسخ داد.

Asked and answered above.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do final fix up of this Commons file below

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sarah_Meadows_Martineau_(d.1800).jpg

I am sure that any engraving of this work would have been done in the EARLY 19th century - NOT the late 19th century as it currently says: "Description English: Drawing of Norwich Matriarch Sarah Meadows Martineau (d.1800). This may be a late 19th-century engraving of that drawing."

Please fix to: "...may be an early 19th century engraving of that drawing".

I worked out the year of birth of Sarah from the Leodis website. Finally, Commons has portraits of many, many subjects with their "titles". Thus, I have placed the word "Dame" in the description believing this the correct approach. I hope you are OK with this! (For what it's worth, to my mind, the title "Dame" should be in the actual title of the Commons page under discussion).

Thank you 175.38.42.62 23:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This unsourced version does not look like an engraving. It looks more like a photograph of a painting, see the reflected light to the left, printed on a book page. The artifacts on this reproduction look like printing artifacts, not engraving lines. Compare with the different version at wikitree.com, which is a copy of an engraving. -- Asclepias (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Asclepias: I settled on "late 18th-century or early 19th-century".   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I still disagree with the statement that this image is an image of an engraving. I think it is not. Regarding the date to write in the description page of this file, the only rather safe estimation is for the painting, for the reasons you stated before. I think that estimating the date of the painting to "circa 1800" (or to "late 18th-century or early 19th-century" if you prefer) is fine. Given that we don't have the source of the photo, we have no basis to speculate about the date of the photo and we do not need to, unless someone finds its source. -- Asclepias (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Editing and Writing

How do I start editing I have already saw the tutorial and when can I start writing my own stories AhmedKhalidKhan2010 (talk) 00:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@AhmedKhalidKhan2010 Hi, and welcome. Commons is not the place for that, neither is Wikipedia. Such stories would be out of scope for any WMF project. Try Facebook, Blogspot, or somewhere else in the blogosphere.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

so how come there are definitions of things can i do the same AhmedKhalidKhan2010 (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@AhmedKhalidKhan2010: can you give a bit more of a description of what you are trying to do? and have you read COM:SCOPE, which describes what this site is? - Jmabel ! talk 01:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

For Approval Realistic MH Tuhin Article

Hello X, I requested a article Realistic MH tuhin . I cannot Understand , what happened , why you are not approve this article, Please Sir Accept it . and make me proud in wikipedia. this my urges . please ans this question . or give me your Bangladesh Office address so that i can go . Realisticmhtuhin (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Realisticmhtuhin: does this question have any bearing on Wikimedia Commons (the site you posted it on)?

Have you read the English-language Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest? Given that your account name is the same as the topic you say you are writing about, I'm guessing that you should. - Jmabel ! talk 18:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

How to Update a Company Logo Properly

Hi there. I am a brand manager at a large firm who has a presence here. We have recently updated the firm's logo and as a member of the team who manages the logo we would like to update across all platforms, including Wikipedia/Commons, to feature the latest logo. I want to ensure I am following proper protocol but am getting a little confused. I have the official logo files and details of the licensing that should be associated with them. Is someone able to advise on the proper way to update a company logo? I appreciate your help. Hud77 (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hud77: It would be so much simpler if you would say what in particular we are talking about rather than ask in the abstract. You don't even say what country we are talking about, and copyright laws vary considerably from country to country.

A few points will be the same no matter what we are talking about:

• If the old logo is already on Commons, it should be left as it is (visually) because we are as interested in historical logos as current ones. It is, of course, reasonable to say on the file page that it is no longer a current logo.
• If the logo is so simple that it is not copyrightable (thresholds vary widely from country to country), you can upload it using {{PD-ineligible}} and {{Trademarked}} in lieu of a license.
• If the logo is copyrighted, then the only way we can accept it on Commons is if the copyright-holder grants a "free license"; typically this would be {{CC-BY}} or {{CC-BY-SA}}. Both of these allow reuse, including commercial use and derivative works, but require attribution. For a company logo, this would have to go through the process described at COM:VRT; when uploading, you would specify the relevant license plus {{Trademarked}}. We've found, however, that very few companies would want to grant a license like this, preferring not to license what they consider valuable intellectual property.

If none of the above apply, so it is not possible to upload the image to Commons, but you still wish to have your up-to-date logo in a Wikipedia article: some of the Wikipedias (including the English-language Wikipedia, but excluding, for example, the German-language Wikipedia) make certain allowance for non-free use. For the English-language Wikipedia, see en:Wikipedia:Logos. Note that this approach does not involve Wikimedia Commons at all.

I hope that gives you what you need. To tell you anything more useful, you'd really have to say what country we are talking about, and it would help enormously if you could link to a page that shows the new logo in question. - Jmabel ! talk 19:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jmabel, thank you for your response! Apologies for not including all the details, I wasn't sure what was appropriate to include in this forum. This is United States specific and here is the new logo on our site: https://www.morganstanley.com. There are subtle but important changes that differ from the logo currently present: File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg - Wikimedia Commons. Let me know if this additional information helps? I appreciate your help! Hud77 (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Convenience link: File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg - Jmabel ! talk 19:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hud77: Uploaded for you at File:Morgan Stanley Logo 2024.png. You will probably want to edit the "description" at File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg to indicate at what date this was superseded.

Also, I'm guessing you will want to change this on the many relevant Wikipedia pages (which are identified in the lower portion of File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg). Make sure that as a (presumably) paid editor you do all of the proper disclosures in any Wikipedia you edit. See en:WP:COI as a starting point on the English-language Wikipedia, and if you are having a hard time navigating the situation, feel free to hit me up on my user talk page either here on Commons or at en-wiki. I'll pretty much always respond within 24 hours. - Jmabel ! talk 19:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I see we already had File:MS Standard Logo 2022 Black.jpg, a JPEG that appears to be visually identical to File:Morgan Stanley Logo 2024.png. - Jmabel ! talk 20:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel Thank you very much for your help. Yes, actually the File:MS Standard Logo 2022 Black.jpg is the official logo file that I was hoping to make the primary logo - are you able to update that to be so? And thank you, I will reference en:WP:COI to start updating the relevant Wikipedia pages that leverage the logo. I will message you on your user talk page if I have trouble. Again, really appreciate your help! Hud77 (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

The only place I'm aware of in the WMF world that has an explicit notion of a "primary" (actually "preferred") logo is on Wikidata (Morgan Stanley (Q334204)), where I've already fixed that. That will trickle through to a lot of the smaller Wikipedias (as you can see on the lower portion of the page at File:Morgan Stanley Logo 2024.png), which draw content for infoboxes from Wikidata. It won't affect en-wiki, which does not use that approach. - Jmabel ! talk 20:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel thank you! That makes sense. Appreciate the insight. Last question - For me to update the en-wiki pages that use the original logo (found in the lower portion of File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg), I will just need to manually edit those to leverage the new logo, correct? Everything else will populate from Wikidata? Thank you so much for helping me navigate this. Hud77 (talk) 21:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can do the replacements manually. Or if you prefer you can make a request at User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands to replace the file in all the pages where the file is used directly. And yes, everything that merely mirrors the Wikidata usage will mirror whatever is currently on Wikidata. -- Asclepias (talk) 22:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hud77 and Asclepias: I'd be cautious about User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands for this. There may be a place where the older version is used specifically to show the difference in the logo at different dates. I really think manually is a better idea here. - Jmabel ! talk 02:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel and @Asclepias Thank you both, I really appreciate all the insights (there is certainly a learning curve for me). Great call on the caution, what I did was look at where within en.wiki the original File:Morgan Stanley Logo 1.svg is used and double checked each usage (19 in total) and am able to confirm that none of the uses are depicting the logo at different dates, so I feel confident that it would be okay to use the https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands feature. However, when I went to do so I tried, but got worried that I was going to mess it up as I am not used to that type of editing and don't want to cause any issues. Would it be too much to ask if one of you could replace the current logo with the new one @Jmabel created above? Thank you for all of your help! Hud77 (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I still have my doubts -- it is used in some contexts in languages I don't read -- but I guess I'll go for doing it in an automated manner. I'll admit this doesn't "smell good" to me. - Jmabel ! talk 18:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel I respect you as the expert on this so if it's not something you're totally comfortable with I don't want to push it. If so, could you help me just update the logo on the main Morgan Stanley page: Morgan Stanley - Wikipedia to feature the new logo where the old one sits above the image of our building? Thank you for your continued support, I really appreciate it. Hud77 (talk) 19:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

As I said, I went ahead and requested it. At the moment, it is still in the queue. I'm just a little concerned with the followup I'll have to do to make sure it didn't do anything wrong; I'm not sure that will be a lot less than it would have been to do it by hand in the first place. - Jmabel ! talk 21:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel understood and thank you. I will stay tuned. I really appreciate your help! Hud77 (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hud77: per the discussion immediately below, automated replacement is not an option here. I'm afraid this needs to be done by hand. I'll take on a few of the more prominent ones, but beyond that I'm afraid you are on your own. - Jmabel ! talk 18:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel completely understood. Thank you very much for updating the more prominent ones. I appreciate all of your help! Hud77 (talk) 18:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Have we got a problem at User:CommonsDelinker/commands?

This is still sitting in the queue after 22 hours. Jmabel ! talk 16:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Or is it that it won't replace an SVG with a PNG, but hasn't given an error message? - Jmabel ! talk 16:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Some editors are of the opinion that allowing such a replacement would start World War III.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

And I get that (in either direction) if it's just a different version of the same image. But in this case the old image is wrong and the new one is right. They are visually different. - Jmabel ! talk 18:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

User contact

How to I get in touch with a certain user to ask him/her about copyright for a certain picture? Lillkatten (talk) 21:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lillkatten: You email them (using the "Email this user" link on their user page) or you leave a message on their user talk page. (To email them, you both have to have email addresses associated with your accounts.) Also: have you checked to make sure that the user in question is active (has recent contributions)? - Jmabel ! talk 02:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Online women's magazine has gone into administration, I wish to upload their old logo advice needed?

Hello,

The Pool magazine was online women's magazine which has since gone into administration and closed down (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47089836). I would like to use their logo from the Internet Archive to add it to the infobox. Please advise? Greenpark79 (talk) 13:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Greenpark79: Going out of business has no effect on copyright (except to make it difficult to identify the successor organization that may own the copyright, so it is harder to get permissions). If the logo we are talking about is the thing of the woman floating in a pink inner tube, it is certainly copyrighted.

I'm not sure what infobox you are referring to, but if the logo is copyrighted and we don't have a free license, it does not belong on Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 18:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! Greenpark79 (talk) 20:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

This is the logo I'm referring to https://web.archive.org/web/20150611165502im_/https://d3enniz247y0a9.cloudfront.net/website/static/images/ui/the-pool-logo.svg Greenpark79 (talk) 20:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Opinion on this logo?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 21:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Greenpark79: Do you mean https://www.the-pool.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Pool-Logo.png for use in en:Draft:The Pool (online women's magazine)? What does it mean for a business to go "into administration"?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 20:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. THat's a different logo from the companny which went into administration. It refers to when a business is insolvent and cannot pay its bills. More info can be found here: https://companieshouse.blog.gov.uk/2019/02/27/what-does-going-into-administration-mean/ Greenpark79 (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

In the U.S. https://web.archive.org/web/20150611165502im_/https://d3enniz247y0a9.cloudfront.net/website/static/images/ui/the-pool-logo.svg would definitely be below the threshold of originality, but the UK threshold is very low so I'm not sure.

@Greenpark79: you still haven't said what "infobox" you are concerned with. Is this something on Commons? If it's for en-wiki, you could certainly upload this to en-wiki for the relevant article as a [possibly] non-free logo. See en:Driving Standards Agency and its logo for a fairly good example of how to do that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It's the magazine infobox template. I was trying to work out where to upload a non-free logo. Greenpark79 (talk) 21:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Greenpark79: Again: are we talking about the English-language Wikipedia, Commons, or somewhere else? There are several hundred WMF projects. "the magazine infobox template" tells me nothing. - Jmabel ! talk 21:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the driving standards agency logo, will upload it directly onto English language Wikipedia as a non-free logo. Greenpark79 (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: What does it mean for a business to go "into administration"? It means that the business cannot pay its debts and the creditors have asked a third party to take over the running of the business while its future is decided. The administrators have three main options:

• They can "streamline" the business to enable to to beome profitable which might include getting loans from the banks or asking shareholders to put more money into the business
• They can sell the business as a "going concern" to a third party who might be interested in for example, for example, unfulfilled contracts.
• They can declare the company bankrupt.

In the case in question, (which I have not researched), the administrators might sell the title as a going concern to a publishing house who will relaunch it. The new publishing house will then own the copyright etc of the old business. Martinvl (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: it's similar to what in the U.S. is called a "Chapter 11 bankruptcy", though of course not identical. - Jmabel ! talk 00:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel and Martinvl: Thanks.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I upload my own artificial intelligence art

Upload my own AI art Digitnfts (talk) 20:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

You don't. We don't accept personal art from non notable artists. This includes AI. Please read COM:SCOPE. Yann (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Parking images (press clippings) on Commons to serve as links for references supporting new article in Wikipedia.

Good morning!

Is it possible to upload pictures of 50 year old newspaper clippings so as to subsequently refer to them by means of a link to Wikimedia’s relevant files to support acceptance for creation of a new article for Wikipedia? Your attention is much appreciated. In case my suggested is not accepted, kindly advise another manner in which pictures of old newspaper clippings can be submitted to support text for new article.

Thank you JacquesAndreNicolas (talk) 16:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@JacquesAndreNicolas: Hi,

It depends on the country, but probably not. In many countries, the copyright lasts for 70 years after the author's death, so 50 years is not old enough to be in the public domain. Yann (talk) 16:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@JacquesAndreNicolas: , you can only upload newspaper clippings that are out of copyright to Commons. 50 years is too young for copyright expiration in much of the world. Also, it is not necessary to upload newspaper clippings online to make references. You can always cite the newspaper when you are creating articles. Abzeronow (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply

My assumption is that it would be very difficult for the editor to verify the contents of an article published 50 years ago from a newspaper which is not the NYC or WSJ. Hence the reason for my cautious search of an alternative (Note, I have a good article but I am not at all an expert at Wikipedia). Any further discussion of the topic at hand would be helpful. JacquesAndreNicolas (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library and some Wikipedia editors have Newspapers.com accounts separate from this. Libraries also usually have copies of local newspapers on microfiche so anyone determined to check a newspaper reference can likely do so. en:Wikipedia:Teahouse is a good resource for asking questions about English Wikipedia. Abzeronow (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! JacquesAndreNicolas (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

i am trying to upload a logo for a company page

hello. i am trying to upload a logo to a company page which i have full rights to the creative. please advise how i can do this? TennisPlayer67 (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@TennisPlayer67: Specifics would be helpful. It looks like you have been editing en:Abivax and you've uploaded a logo of theirs, so I will guess this is about them (tell me if I'm wrong).

• Before anything else: make sure you have read en:WP:COI. If you are editing the English-language Wikipedia (en-wiki) with a conflict of interest (e.g. you have a relation to the company you are writing about, or are being paid by them or on their behalf) you need to disclose that conflict, as discussed there. If you don't do that, your account will probably be blocked on en-wiki.
• When you claim File:ABIVAX Logo-RGB.png as your "own work" and offer a license to use it: does that mean you personally designed the logo and own a copyright on it? If not, then this license as currently offered isn't valid. Who actually owns the copyright? If Abivax owns the copyright, then they need to go through the process outlined at COM:VRT or COM:VRT/fr to grant a license.
  • Also: I doubt that logo is eligible for copyright in France, and almost certainly not in the U.S. {{PD-textlogo}} seems plausible; the currently claimed {{CC-Zero}} does not.
• To answer your original question: assuming this supersedes the earlier Abivax logo, you can edit the wikisource of the Abivax page and, in the Infobox, replace the filename with the correct logo. - Jmabel ! talk 22:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions on Mac utilities to rotate image before upload

Hello, the rotate image bot seems to take a while (I think I'm >12 hours now for File:The General Staff of American Industry in the World War (1923).png). Any suggestions for a Mac utility to do the rotation itself and save the configuration pre-upload (for future images)? When I rotate the file in the native Markup app on my Mac, it doesn't save it appropriately when I upload. --Engineerchange (talk) 17:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Not answering the question but indeed the bot seems to be having repeatedly the problem "Error Bot locked itself after a internal problem". -- Asclepias (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, looks to have stopped working on December 29th: User:SteinsplitterBot/Rotatebot. --Engineerchange (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "configuration pre-upload" means, but Preview.app can rotate graphics files in 90° increments. It changes the file, so I assume that whatever one uploads is the rotated one. DMacks (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

...which is what I just did to that General Staff photo. DMacks (talk) 19:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks: thanks btw, appreciate the help! --Engineerchange (talk) 20:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Specifically, my process was click "Markup" (the pencil icon), rotate the image in that tool, and then crop the image, and then hit save/done. In my image preview on Mac, the image shows up as horizontal orientation, but when I upload, it is vertical (like it was pre-rotate before Markup change). So I guess Preview.app does it differently and saves it in the image's metadata or something. Thanks, I guess I'll try that next time. I'm still a bit curious on the how/why, and where you can look to see if the rotation happened prior to uploading (hence my "configuration" verbiage). Is there a CLI way to confirm that the image has been rotated after it was created? --Engineerchange (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Weird (NSFW) request

The gallery of erect penises (File:Various size penises.jpg) only includes people with light skin. They seem to be of European and East Asian background, but this is really not a representative sample, as the goal seems to be showing diversity in what the penis looks like. There are no images of people with dark or even medium-toned skin, even though a very large number of people worldwide have dark skin. Can someone please update this to include some penises of people with dark skin? Kk.urban (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: This is just some user's work. You can create their own, including whatever degree of overlap (or not) you may wish with the content of that file. Just make sure you license correctly. - Jmabel ! talk 22:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

There is more to it. 3 of the files this imaage is a derivative work of, have since been deleted. Question: need they be undeleted for being inuse and/or better attribution. Or need the image be deleted if one of the files was a copyvio?

@Kk.urban Black penisses may be missing, because no free images were available. You can create images or look online for free licensed images, then a collage, that is more diverse, becomes possible. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 23:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• File:A shaved penis.jpg was deleted as personal and out of scope, and probably should be reinstated. I'll start an undeletion request.
• File:Mycock5.jpg was deleted per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mycock5.jpg; similar comments apply.
• File:Naked 19 years old boy in bathroom.jpg was deleted per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Naked 19 years old boy in bathroom.jpg. I think the title may be problematic, but otherwise similar comments apply. - Jmabel ! talk 04:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• I have undeleted all three per requests, and I renamed the third. Abzeronow (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Am I allowed to upload an album cover if it isn't on wikimedia commons?

I need to get the album cover for Stretch 1 (EP) by Arca, and i cannot find it anywhere. Soultech99 (talk) 19:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Soultech99: , Commons only allows album covers if they are out of copyright, freely licensed or too simple to be copyrighted. You can upload non-free album covers to English Wikipedia if there is an article on the album there and it is used there. Abzeronow (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't actually find whether the image is out of copyright or even copyrighted in the first place, there's barely anywhere that says anything like that. What do i do? It's following EP Stretch 2 is on Wikipedia and has its album cover with it. Soultech99 (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Soultech99: Since Arca is a modern artist, her album covers are unlikely to be suitable for Commons unless they fall below the threshold of originality or have been freely licensed. If you want to, say, write a Wikipedia article about Stretch 1, you could upload the cover art to Wikipedia, following the model of w:en:File:Arca stretch 2.jpg. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 20:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

And note that that Stretch 1 example does not involve Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 22:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Image got flagged

Hello, my image got flagged by the bot for possible copyright violation. I have written authorization from the author. In this case it says that I should replace the "copyvio" tag with {{Permission pending|year=2024|month=January|day=12}}, but I can't seem to find where that tag is to replace it. TyranCometh (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

It seems like you have uploaded photos that have incompatible licenses with Commons. In particular, these have the "NC" clause. If you want, you can upload them to https://nccommons.org/, a site with a similar mission to this one but that is formally independent. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The normal way to place a {{Permission pending}} tag is {{subst:PP}}. - Jmabel ! talk 04:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@TyranCometh: See also COM:LJ.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Koavf thank you, do you know if nccommons is the right place to upload pictures of mushroom collections? I upload them to put them in the Wikipedia articles I write about mushroom species. Also I'm not sure to understand how I can be allowed to upload there, it says that I should ask for the privileges but I'm not sure to know how. TyranCometh (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@TyranCometh: it's a completely separate website, you'd have to communicate with them, not us.

Note that you cannot use content from there in Wikipedia. Like Commons, Wikipedia considers NC licenses insufficiently free (though, unlike Commons, some of the Wikipedias including the English-language Wikipedia make certain allowances for non-free use when no free image is available). - Jmabel ! talk 18:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@TyranCometh: Sorry if it's confusing. As Jmabel pointed out, it's a totally separate site, even if it looks similar to this one and has a similar mission. So 1.) yes, you can in principle upload those photos there, 2.) to get permission, you can request permission at w:en:User_talk:Doc_James, and 3.) images uploaded there cannot be used in Wikipedia articles. In the English-language Wikipedia, we can upload local files that are fair use, but that generally only happens in narrow circumstances (e.g. album cover art, but only for the article about that album). Please let me know if you have any other questions. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

How can l lock onto Wikipedia.com

please help me lock on to Wikipedia. 103.75.21.253 01:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I have no clue what that means, but to be clear, Wikipedia is a sister project to this site, Wikimedia Commons. If you have questions about Wikipedia, you may want to ask them at (e.g.) w:en:WP:TEAHOUSE. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you mean "log on"? Do you have an account? If you log into Commons, normally that will log you on to Wikipedia, and vice versa. - Jmabel ! talk 04:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

No se nada de computadoras pero si se que está interviniendo mi sistema y asen cambios remota mente y robo de información y restricciones todo el tiempo tengo que batallar para entrar a Inter si o a la wed no echo algún daño a nadien me an echo mas daños Ami y mi familia Josecort864 (talk) 14:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

उप नाम

शर्मा उपनाम किस सन में अन्य उपनामों के साथ जोड़ा गया? Mudarsk (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mudarsk: I believe this is off-topic for Wikimedia Commons. You might ask at hi:विकिपीडिया:रेफ़रन्स डेस्क. - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Andree Melly and Flook cartoon strip.jpg

The picture should be attributed as follows: Book is entitled, "I, Flook" by George Melly and illustrations by Trog; copyright: Associated Newspapers Ltd, 1962; picture appeared in the book "I Flook" as` described published by St. Martin's Press New York, 1962, page 24 --OMbod13 (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Then that is a copyright violation, unless St. Martin's Press somehow failed to renew their copyright. (This is one of the last years when someone would have had to do that in the U.S.) - Jmabel ! talk 18:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Did this sort of dual publication by two publishers in the UK and the US require a renewal for the US copyright? FWIW, nothing about the book title or author in the copyright renewals database of Stanford. PD-US-not renewed? Or does Commons give preference to the UK copyright in this case? -- Asclepias (talk) 20:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Commons follows the rule of the shorter term when determining the country of origin for a work simultaneously published in multiple countries, and yes, US copyright would have required renewal. That said, what is the proof of simultaneous publication? —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 04:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The book bears the name of both publishers: "London Macmillan & Co Ltd, New York St Martin's Press" [3]. Can it be assumed that it is proof that the publication was simultaneous? -- Asclepias (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd say so. They were the same company, but they could not use the "Macmillan" name in the U.S. because of the American publisher of the same name (and shared origin) that later became part of Crowell Collier Macmillan. So for most other publishers you'd see something like "Harper & Roe (New York, London)" but they couldn'tdo that. - Jmabel ! talk 18:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The uploader of the file wrote a long text about the book in the article Andrée Melly on en.wikipedia [4]. After reading it, it is not clear if they are saying that this particular drawing was original to the book or that it had been previously published as part of the Daily Mail's Flook comic strips. It sounds more like previous publication. The uploader has still not placed a status tag for the file. Given the uncertainty, it is probably prudent to delete the file. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

How to post country like articles

The question is the title Jeffy Marvin Jeffy (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeffy Marvin Jeffy: Hi,

Wikimedia Commons is not for articles, but for multimedia content. Please read COM:SCOPE. For articles, please see Wikipedia in the language you want to write articles. Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:55, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Photograms of the Year 1922 - copyright question

I have a copy of the Photograms of the Year 1922, and uploaded a few images some time ago, for images where I could ascertain year of death of the photographer, and it was more than 70 years ago. However I have just been reading info that implies the entire book might be out of copyright (https://publicdomainimagelibrary.com/copyright-rules/). There are some portraits of/photographs by notable people, but I thought I'd check with the experts before I go and upload a bunch of copyright violations!

The book was published in the UK by Iliffe and Sons, and then lists many other publishers in other countries (for instance, US: Boston, American Photographic Publishing Co; Canada: Toronto, The Musson Book Co, Ltd; Australasia: Melbourne, Kodak (Australasia) Ltd etc). Advice appreciated! DrThneed (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

There was a similar question two sections above about publication in multiple jurisdictions. It seems that the main point for the internal policy or practice of Commons is to determine if the book can be considered published in the United States at least simultaneously with (which means, according to US law, not more than 30 days after) its publication in another jurisdiction. The US publisher on the title page can reasonably be taken as prima facie evidence of such simultaneous publication, in the absence of contradicting evidence that the US publication was delayed for more than 30 days. This book does not seem to have a copyright notice, which means that, if it is indeed considered a US publication, it might have always been in the public domain in the US (PD-US-no notice). Or, as a pre-1929 publication, it is certainly in the US public domain anyway now (PD-US-expired). If you upload files, make sure to mention the US publisher in the description pages. It would be interesting to have more of those Photograms of the year books on Commons. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Asclepias, I'll definitely upload although it won't be soon as I don't currently have an operating scanner! Cheers. DrThneed (talk) 04:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Immediate deletion on new article?

Hello, I have been working on an article regarding our media platform. It is a genuine Australian business and I took care to make the article informative, factual and closely resemble other Australian media company pages. As soon as I pressed publish, it was marked as spam by a user called lemonaka who is apparently inactive and mostly works in Chinese. What is wrong here??? This is my first ever attempt tom use wikipedia and I am finding this extremely confusing. RegionMediaACT (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

This isn't Wikipedia. We don't have articles here. However you've used your userpage here to write what is basically a promotional business advert. I'm not surprised that @Lemonaka: treated it as spam.

Over at Wikipedia, your draft article on the same topic: en:User:RegionMediaACT/sandbox has received similar treatment.

Anticipate your account simply being blocked before long.

The problem is that this is not what Wikipedia is here for. As your actions here have been to use WP entirely for self-promotion, without even any attempt to learn some of the ground rules of editing first, then things have not gone well for you. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Andy, I was actually hoping for some help. This is a very aggressive answer to someone who is completely new to this. I am struggling to understand any of this. Is there someone, somewhere who could help me sort out why articles on other local media have been current for a long time, but mine is inappropriate or unusable? I totally don’t understand the aggression here. 14.201.161.178 01:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it’s OK. Someone did respond with helpful practical advice I can use. Maybe rethink your approach to people asking for assistance? 14.201.161.178 01:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@RegionMediaACT: I wrote on your enwiki user talk page. Please stay logged in.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 02:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I won't apology for what I did since your userpage is really a spam, or something promoting your own business. Mostly working in Chinese is not my fault, and if you look a little bit more, you will find I previously worked with English community. Lemonaka (talk) 07:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you even look at it? Did you read anything I wrote or follow any link? This has been a horrible experience for someone completely new to Wikipedia. Really, really distressing, ugly and confusing. A very very nasty day fir someone just trying to write about an interesting development in my industry. Wow, you people have left me speechless. 2001:8004:C40:F4E1:B81D:E161:D541:33C1 07:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@RegionMediaACT I assume it is you, even though you are logged out and write as an IP. You say, you are new to Wikipedia, which sounds strange, as Wikipedia exists for 23 years now and it is unlikely, that in this 23 years you never looked up something in Wikipedia. However you seem to have missed, that Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, or you have missed, what an Encyclpedia is. An Encyclopeida is a number of articles about notable subjects. Your business is either not notable (for an Encyclopedia), or you described it in a way, that does not show that it is notable, or in an other way as articles in an Encyclopedia are made. In the english-language Wikipedia you will find millions of examples of encyclopedia articles about notable subjects. And there I am at the beginning again: You write as if you have never looked at a Wikipedia article in the last 23 years. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 09:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Some of the above is quite unnecessarily harsh but, @RegionMediaACT: you should definitely read the English-language Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest. You've definitely been violating policy, and if you don't want to end up with your account blocked on en-wiki (though probably not here on Commons), you need to understand this policy. Basically, writing in en-wiki about yourself or something in which you are directly involved is against policy. - Jmabel ! talk 21:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for a courteous response. When I say I am new to wikipedia, I mean I am new to making a contribution. I've been an author and journalist for 35 years, but I won't be coming back.

I feel actively bullied by a community where I simply tried to post an article without fully understanding what the issues were. I've also moderated social media content on news sites for years and would have considered banning or demoting some of the above commenters for their level of aggression.

Is this what you all want wikipedia to be? Are any of you thinking about either your language or your attitude? Or is protecting how the group thinks the primary aim?

I will, however, be writing about this for the Australian Conversation site where I'm a regular contributor, now that I understand significantly more about the dynamics of the group. And no, I won't be hitting that button that urges contributions ever again, or suggesting anyone else should do so. RegionMediaACT (talk) 22:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@RegionMediaACT: do keep in mind, this is Wikimedia Commons, not the English-language Wikipedia. So, among other things, you started out by complaining about issues on one Wikimedia Foundation project on the site of another, which may not excuse the tone of some of the above, but may go a ways to explain it. Also: when you complain around here that someone's primary language is different than your own, you really aren't going to get mileage from that. We have contributors from all over the world, and we want it that way.

Andy Dingley, in particular, started out by letting you know why your actions on another site (the English-language Wikipedia) were likely to get you in trouble there. He did so reasonably politely, but you seem to have taken offense, and from there it deterioriated.

When you write to the help desk of one project to complain about what is happening on another project, what can you really expect? Andy told you that you were in the wrong place and could have left it at that, but took a look at what was going on and added (correctly) that what you were doing on the English-language Wikipedia wasn't appropriate there (about which he was almost certainly correct) and was likely to get you in trouble there (ditto). He probably should have cited en:WP:COI, like I did, but he was just trying quickly to get back to you, not an admin on either project (I'm an admin on both). - Jmabel ! talk 23:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Remove a image file created and uploaded by me

Hi Wikimedia, please help to remove a image file created and uploaded by me: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%90%89%E7%A5%A5%E9%99%A2%E8%AC%99%E4%BF%A1%E5%85%89%E5%AE%9A.jpg Thanks. RetaMotome (talk) 03:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@RetaMotome: You uploaded File:吉祥院謙信光定.jpg in 2020. It is in use on three of your user pages. Why do you want it deleted now? Please use internal links.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 03:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Remove it from all of your pages you use it on, then list it at Commons:Deletion requests. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 04:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Definitely needs to be removed from your Wikidata user page before you can ask for deletion. At that point, you can ask for it to be deleted as an unused personal photo. - Jmabel ! talk 21:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Image from facebook

I have uploaded a freely downloadable image from facebook, and I have clearly identified its origin and author: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vouga-ponte-mf.jpg. Is this ok and enough or is there something more that should still be done? Lslopes (talk) 14:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lslopes No free licence is discernible at the stated source. Please send permission to COM:VRT 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 18:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. How should this permission look like? Lslopes (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lslopes: Permission should "look like" it was given by the person who owned the copyright. In this case that did not happen, so the image doesn't belong here on Commons. Commons accepts only images that are either in the {{Public domain}} (this isn't) or where the copyright-holder has granted a free license (they didn't). - Jmabel ! talk 21:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

If, indeed, the copyright-holder wants to grant a license, then they can follow the instructions at COM:VRT, which describes what permission is needed. - Jmabel ! talk 21:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: So, is it enough that the copyright-holder declares that it is ok for the image to be uploaded in Commons, and also included in Wikipedia pages, or should it be a more general permission? Lslopes (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't really imagine the scenario in which Wikipedia (in any language) would accept that image if it is not considered "free" enough for Commons.

Commons, as I said above, accepts only images that are either in the {{Public domain}} (this isn't) or where the copyright-holder has granted a free license. So we would need them to grant such a license.

The simplest way for Manuel Ferreira to grant a license would simply be to state in a comment on the thread at https://www.facebook.com/skyviewmf/photos/a.113469703519886/262372808629574/ what license he is offering (or he can go through COM:VRT, as I first suggested above, but now that I've looked more closely that would probably be overkill in this case). Do note that per COM:L it must be a license that allows derivative works and commercial use. He can require attribution. Typically, the simplest licenses for this are {{CC-BY-4.0}} or {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}}; the latter license is "viral", in that requires that any derivative works also carry that same license.

If you reach out to him, though, do make sure that he understands that if he grants such a license, it cannot be revoked later. We've had a few people not understand that, and been quite angry later. - Jmabel ! talk 23:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I want to upload an image from a paper for which my group members are authors.

I want to upload an image from a paper for which my group members are authors. Can you explain how to properly do this? Nittany XRD (talk) 14:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Nittany XRD: that's a bit vague (especially "my group members"). Is the paper published under a COM:L free license? If so, you can just cite the paper itself as a source, use that license, and upload. If not, then because this was previously published, you'll probably have to go through the process described at COM:VRT to grant a license for the image. If there are multiple copyright-holders, then all would need to sign off, so you'd want to cc everybody on the email described at COM:VRT and expect that there might be some back-and-forth correspondence to confirm that everyone agrees. - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

"This no copyright nasheed can be used in your content only if your content(topic and shown content) is not against Islam religion!"

Is this compatible with our Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license?--Trade (talk) 16:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Photo

Hello! what should be done to upload the missing photo of a non existing person whose biography has been put up in Wikipedia.

Thanks for your guidance. Dr.Mayukhjee (talk) 16:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dr.Mayukhjee The person does not exist? Should this not give you a hint? 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 17:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean the person is deceased or the person is fictional? Also you can reply in whichever language you natively speak if it makes things easier to understand your meaning (I can use google translate on it if necessary). Abzeronow (talk) 18:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Let me explain. A person who is an eminent film artist, about whom an biography is already is in our respected Wikipedia, but his photo is not there. So it is not possible to get his photo by our camera. So how can we put his photo in Wikipedia? Thanks for your Guidance. :) Dr.Mayukhjee (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, so this is a living person. You can go about this in two ways: 1. Take a photograph of this film artist or find a photograph with an explicit free license such as Creative Commons-Attribution. 2. Check m:Non-free content if the Wikipedia in your language allows non-free content and follow the guidelines on your language's Wikipedia if they allow non-free content. Abzeronow (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Or a third way: you personally don't have to take the photo; someone else can take it and either (a) create an account of their own and upload it or (b) email the photo and grant a license as described at COM:VRT. You can ask them to cc you on that email so you will be in the loop. Or someone can do the same with an existing unpublished photo (or, using VRT again, a published photo). But the permission has to come from the copyright-holder, which would almost certainly mean the photographer. - Jmabel ! talk 22:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Options for a derivative work photo to stay in Commons?

Hello, over at eswiki I've been writing a page for a video game character. However, it's been challenging to find a photo for the infobox since there aren't many cosplayers or photos available of this character that don't infringe copyright. Here in Commons, I found a photo of merchandise sold back in 2018 that featured this character and used CropTool to get a potential infobox photo. Unfortunately, it seems the photo violates COM:DW so it's been labeled for deletion.

If I understand correctly, the only way for this photo to stay up would be for the rights holder (Koei Tecmo) to grant permission via email to use this photo? Otherwise, are there other options to perhaps keep a lower res version for the infobox over at eswiki? Jotamide (talk) 19:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as Commons is concerned, yes, the only way to keep it is permission from the original artist. As for es-wiki policies, you'd have to take that up on es-wiki. - Jmabel ! talk 22:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Uploading a new version of a file gives duplicate error.

Trying to upload a new version ([5]https://svgshare.com/i/11z2.svg) to this file. It gives me Upload error "The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Periodic table modification.svg." Doesn't wikipedia check hashes of file uploads?ǃ Pls help me out. Or if you can, just upload the new version to this file. Thnx in advance ː) Seeker220 (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Seeker200: yes, a hash is exactly how it detects duplicates. What exactly did you change? I see no visual difference. - Jmabel ! talk 22:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

對於掃描舊照片，以「版權與來源都不明」為由提名刪除，台灣人是否能接受？若否，你們有何辦法避免此事再發生？

我看到有人對舊照片以掃描方式上傳提名刪除，僅僅是因為他認為版權與來源都不明，但是我發現一個問題，這些照片看起來像是1980、1990年代那種底片相機才拍得出來的畫面質感，依照台灣當時的科技環境，底片相機算是數位相機的前一代科技產物，智慧型手機更是2010年代普及起來，相較於底片相機，年輕人自然是熟悉數位相機、智慧型手機，因為他們可能不知道底片相機拍出來的照片會是沒有EXIF這種東西，所以我猜想所謂「版權與來源都不明」可能是來自於提名人是僅憑沒有EXIF而做出的判斷結果。如果真是如此，那種這種判斷是太大有問題，而且提名人還是一次對 154 張照片刪除。既然數量是如此龐大，那麼在提名之前是理應更加謹慎，而非直接提名，然後就丟給別人討論，提名人自己就不管了，因此我認為此風是不可長。為此，我想請各位指教看看，你們是否接受提名人此番作為與提名刪除的理由？如果不接受，你們有何辦法可以避免這種事未來再發生？ 125.230.89.15 03:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Via Google translate: I saw someone nominated old photos uploaded by scanning for deletion simply because he thought the copyright and source were unclear, but I found a problem, these photos look like It is the picture quality that can only be captured by film cameras in the 1980s and 1990s. According to Taiwan's technological environment at that time, film cameras are the previous generation of digital cameras. Smartphones became popular in the 2010s. Compared with film cameras, , young people are naturally familiar with digital cameras and smart phones, because they may not know that photos taken by film cameras will not have EXIF, so I guess the so-called "unknown copyright and source" may come from the fact that the nominee is Judgment results based solely on the absence of EXIF. If so, that judgment is too big and questionable, and the nominator still deleted 154 photos at once. Since the number is so huge, we should be more cautious before nominating, rather than nominating directly and then leaving it to others to discuss, and the nominator will not care about it. Therefore, I think this trend will not last long. To this end, I would like to ask you for your advice. Do you accept this as the reason for deletion of the nomination? If not, what can you do to prevent this from happening in the future? 125.230.89.15 03:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC) Google translate posted by Jmabel ! talk 04:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Given that this happened years ago and these were kept, I don't see why this needs further discussion. Yes, sometimes someone makes a bad DR nomination. - Jmabel ! talk 04:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Because I'm asking this question to Taiwanese people.--125.230.89.15 06:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)